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Posted by nextstepministrieslv on January 2, 2010 at 7:48 PM

This blog is for those who say JESUS is Lord. Bi polar, depression, manic, and so on...for those of you who think you may know someone with the above or some doctor who needs a job told you this is what you have. As a Christ follower I'm going to him and HIS word first before I ever trust a doctor and put drugs into my mouth.

 


Could demons be involved here? Usually the first thought here "oh no not me, demons can NEVER be in me." But we will trust the doctor and drugs first.


Luke 8 (New King James Version)

 

43 Now a woman, having a flow of blood for twelve years, who had spent all her livelihood on physicians and could not be healed by any, 44 came from behind and touched the border of His garment. And immediately her flow of blood stopped.

 


Western cultures probably do not take satanic involvement in people’s lives seriously enough. There is a wide variety of possible symptoms of demon possession, such as a physical impairment that cannot be attributed to an actual physiological problem, a personality change such as depression or aggression, supernatural strength, immodesty, antisocial behavior, and perhaps the ability to share information that one has no natural way of knowing.


Read (1 Samuel 16:14-15; 18:10-11

 

1 Samuel 19: 9 But an evila spirit from the Lord came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp, 10Saul tried to pin him to the wall with his spear, but David eluded him as Saul drove the spear into the wall. That night David made good his escape.

 


King Saul, after rebelling against the LORD, was troubled by an evil spirit, with the apparent effect of a depressed mood and an increased desire to kill David.

 


In addition to these physical or emotional distinctions, one can also look at spiritual attributes showing demonic influence. These may include a refusal to forgive 2 Corinthians 2:10-11 and the belief in and spread of false doctrine, especially concerning Jesus Christ and His atoning work.


2 Corinthians 11:3 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

 


So as a christian you don't think you can be influenced by the devil? Matthew 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

 


Demon possession also seems to be related to the worship of heathen idols and the possession of occult materials. Scripture repeatedly relates idol worship to the actual worship of demons(Leviticus 17:7; Deuteronomy 32:17; Psalm 106:37; 1 Corinthians 10:20), so it should not be surprising that involvement with idolatry could lead to demon possession.

 


Based on the above scriptural passages we can conclude that many people open their lives up to demon involvement through the embracing of some sin or through cultic involvement (either knowingly or unknowingly). Examples may include immorality, drug/alcohol abuse that alters one’s state of consciousness, rebellion, and bitterness. If we pursue God, if we are clothing ourselves with His armor and relying upon His strength (Ephesians 6:10-18), we have nothing to fear from the evil ones, for God rules over all!

 


Psychotic drugs have been reported to cause Dyscrasia, from ancient Greek medicine with the word "dyskrasia", meaning bad mixture. This is causing YOUR white blood cells to deteriorate THEY WIIL NOT RETURN. Using these drugs will cause YOUR brain to slowly deteriorate.


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Reply Jodi Artzberger
6:52 PM on January 3, 2010 
Hi Walt!

You're posts are great! I enjoy reading them when I can. A couple of things jumped out at me. The Scripture references strike me as either incomplete or taken out of context. Here's what I mean and by all means tell me where I'm not understanding your application of them.

I do believe in satanic possessions and without a doubt they're real. I believe the use of Luke 8:43-44 is a perfect example of it! Again, 1 Sam was good as well because God *allowed* the tormenting spirit to go after Saul.

2 Cor 2:10-11 - I don't believe are about demonic possession but about being tempted by Satan. (Which the devil certainly does.)

2 Cor 11:3 ? I don't believe is about demonic possession either but about following false christs. Another example of Satan keeping the lost lost.

In Matt 16:23, Peter was not filled with the Holy Spirit until Pentecost. At Pentecost, we see the beginning of the Holy Spirit's full ministry. Before Pentecost, God placed his Holy Spirit on those He chose in order to accomplish His purpose(s). Most of those pre-Pentecost fillings never had the Holy Spirit for the rest of their lives, only until God did what He wanted done was done. So until we have the Holy Spirit abiding in us, we are fair game to demonic possession.

I believe a Christian (and that is someone who IS Spirit filled) canNOT be possessed by a demon of any kind. Tempted? YES! A house divided cannot stand. See Matt 12:25-32. The Holy Spirit will not allow another spirit to enter a Christian. We are sealed! 2 Cor 1:22, Eph 1:13.

There is no doubt idol worship and demon possession go hand and hand, as you sited. Paul talks about it in Romans. As Spirit-filled Christians, we still deal with a sin nature. Paul even says in Romans 7:19 that he doesn't do the good he wants but practices the evil he doesn't want to do. That is not demon possession but a sin problem. As you said, our own sin will cause depression. Look at David, he was dealt with depression and a lot of it (if not most) was a result of his own sin.

It is so tempting to say "I'll take a drug and feel better." After all, who doesn't feel better? Why face your sin if you can just take a pill and make it all go away? Sin, circumstances, blues, whatever will lead a person down a spiral of depression and who knows what else. I'm not a shrink.

"Psychotic" mind altering drugs, are VERY dangerous. I've know people on them and they DO degrade over time. You're right. It is so sad to see that happen. However not all anti-depressants are psychotic or rather fall into that classification. There are pain pills that have psychotic effects that are very very dangerous too. I personally believe that there are some people with a chemical imbalance. That can come from variety of reasons, I believe, like alcohol and drug abuse, even a poor diet.

If someone is using (legal) drugs to put a band-aid on a deeper problem, then you're just playing into the hands of the devil. If you are a Christian, are you dealing with what God is trying to get you to deal with? If you are not a Christian, is God trying to get your attention and/or are you demon possessed?

I don't have all the answers. I do know of a well known Christian pastor, who teaches from the Bible, who got severely depressed. He did go on an anti-depressant, not a psychotic drug, long enough to address his problem and then he immediately weened off the anti-depressant. In my opinion, that is how they should be used.

I do see your point and for the most part I agree with you, but I don't see where a Spirit-filled Christian can be demon possessed. Tormented, yes, just like Job.

I hope I didn't go down too many bunny trails and that I made sense. By ALL means, please let me know what you think! I appreciate your friendship and your insight. God has certainly blessed you!!
Reply Jodi Artzberger
11:19 AM on January 5, 2010 
Hi Walt,

Thanks for replying!! I see your point with 2 Cor 2:10-11, 2 Cor. 11:3, and Matt 16:23 and I agree with that. I'm not following that Paul was worshiping idols in ref to Rom 7:19. Where do you see that? Maybe a better way to ask, is all sin/all evil idolatry? Paul goes on to say that it is not him but the evil living within him. (Rom 7:20) What is the root of all evil? It's pride. So if it's pride, what are we worshiping? Ourselves. If we're prideful in something, is it always idolatry? I'm not questioning you, but I'm asking out loud and thinking this through. I don't think all sin is idolatry... repetitive, habitual sin probably is. As far as Paul, I'm still not sure it was idolatry for him that he was talking about in Rom 7:19. For example if he didn't bridle his tongue, is that idolatry? I would say no because I'm sure he was grieved by it. When you're practicing idolatry, typically you don't feel remorse. I'm working through this Paul and practicing idolatry and if it was, how could he have had the ministry he did? He says over and over that Christ is first in his life and that life is only found in Christ Jesus. Paul tells us in Phil 4:9 to do what we see in him (Paul). He wouldn't tell us to emulate his sin and/or his idolatry. I am not trying to paint a picture that Paul was without sin or perfect, by no means. So, what do you have that can help me wrap my hands around this?

Now I'm going to be contemplating this all day... thanks Walt! :)
Reply nextstepministrieslv
11:39 AM on January 5, 2010 
Jodi that was a mistake on my part I meant to say he wasn't worshiping idols
Reply nextstepministrieslv
11:41 AM on January 5, 2010 
Hello Jodi, thank you for your words of encouragement, and for the use of Scripture to grow me, people's opinions can not grow us, but God's word will.

In your reference to 2 Cor 2:10-11, I used the word influence in this paragraph and not possession. It is about holding on to anger, resentment, and not letting go, Satan will use this to hold us back from the joy of the Lord and may cause depression witch if we don't' let go of the anger, resentment, etc...we will not be truly free.

In you reference to 2 Corinthians 11:3. You are correct. It is truly unfortunate that there are people who believe they are born again (the only way we can get to Heaven John chapter 3) and they are not, as Eve was deceived so have they and truly need to examine them-self's . Since they are not saved demons are still living in them.

In your reference to Matthew 16:23. I again used the word influence in this paragraph and not possession.

You are correct in stating "I believe a Christian (and that is someone who IS Spirit filled) canNOT be possessed by a demon of any kind." I have meet many who think there born again and are not, no testimony of life change living just as the always have just going to church and reading, no heart change, this is exactly like Judas.

In you reference to "Paul even says in Romans 7:19 that he doesn't do the good he wants but practices the evil he doesn't want to do." He wasn't worshiping idols, but did acknowledge he wrestled with sin in his life (which we all do). It is the act of worshiping idols that demonic.

In reference to your words "I personally believe that there are some people with a chemical imbalance. That can come from variety of reasons, I believe, like alcohol and drug abuse, even a poor diet." I agree with you 100%, most psychologist will not tell you about you diet, they want to just
give you the drugs and keep you num.

Your quote "If someone is using (legal) drugs to put a band-aid on a deeper problem, then you're just playing into the hands of the devil. If you are a Christian, are you dealing with what God is trying to get you to deal with? If you are not a Christian, is God trying to get your attention and/or are you demon possessed?" I agree 100% Perfectly put.
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3:23 PM on January 5, 2010 
Hey Walt you and I have had this conversation before but I still love reading and hearing your poit of views on the matter.
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